Rapping Stories with Jonathan Perez

Rapping Stories with Jonathan Perez

Jonathan Perez is a passionate podcaster and the host of a brand new show, Developer To Millionaire. Jon is also an entrepreneur and the creator of  Sure Fire Web Services a few years ago.  He is a Foundation Student/Graduate of Ben Hunts Pro Web Design Course and has helped a lot of companies, since then, to deliver on their website projects and goals. He specializes in the Genesis Framework, WordPress, and Types and Views, in which he has been  listed as a featured consultant, and now Beaver Builder. He has also have featured resources on the StudioPress site, and created the Genesis Sandbox Starter Theme though it hasn’t been in development lately as he is a father of two boys now and we all know that time isn’t something he has up on his sleeves.

On the show you’ll find out:

  • How Jon started venturing into the podcasting world
  • The adventures of podcasting Jon experienced
  • The one top IMPORTANT skill every podcaster should have

You can listen to Jonathan on his  podcast Developer To Millionaire, read his blog, or follow him on Twitter.


Host:  Nice to hear you again, friend.  Today my guest, Jon Perez, will share his experience on starting on his audio podcast, some funny stories of how he had to record during the night and his take on how to become a millionaire out of podcasting.  Check it out.

Evaldas Miliauskas:  So, hello to all listeners out there.  Today we have our second show of CastSource Stories Behind Podcasting.  And I’m super excited to have my new guest with Jonathan Perez.  Jon is a passionate podcaster.  Doctor of the new show, Developer to Millionaire, he’s also an entrepreneur at Sure Fire Web Services, 70s star, web dev guru and a working rapper. He’s in a journey to find his passion and share it with his audience.  Welcome Jon.

Jon Perez:  Hello!  What an introduction.  That was really good, thank you.

Evaldas:  So, how are you doing today?

Jon:  I’m doing very well, keeping busy.  I just…you’re doing your lot of podcast, I just finished up the launch party of my podcast, today was the last day.  So kinda happy about that, thrilled about that.  And, you know, days goin’ good.

Evaldas:  I am just wondering, how do you get called more often? Jon? Johnny or how do people call you usually?

Jon:  Jon’s fine.  Jonathan.  That’s really like the only tip.  I think there’s only 1 person in the world that calls me Johnny.

Evaldas:  Yeah, I have a friend here in Malta.  He’s also Jonathan but we call him Johnny.  I just think it’s sort of a cool name like, you know, some film actors, they have some kind of a ….

Jon:  Cool!  Hey whatever you want, man.

Evaldas:  Yeah, Jon is also fine.

Jon:  Yeah I’m cool, that doesn’t addled me.

Evaldas:  So, can you tell us a little bit about yourself to your listeners so we could get like a little insight…what keeps you in the morning, I mean helps you wake up and just drives you these days.

Jon:  Sure.  Coffee.  Nah, well, let’s see…I’ve been developing, designing, project managing, pretty much doing every aspect of the web world for the past eleven years.  And I’ve worked in big companies, small companies, did my own thing.  As an agency, recently switched over to working with other agencies and now I’m kind of am on my journey to create this podcasts and kind of brought in my audience. And it’s something that I’ve been interested in for a very long time.  I finally actually started it last year and I have recorded about 10-15 interviews and episodes but it’s never released in, it just never got the chance to put them out there.  So I have all these recordings that I’ve been sitting on that are really, really good but they’ve just been sitting there.  So this year I’ve decided to launch my podcast and start pushing for the new year and see kinda what comes out of it.

Evaldas:  Yeah, sounds like a plan.

Jon:  Yeah, it’s fun.

Evaldas:  Yeah.  So, let’s cut to the chase and get the fishes rises, as I would say.  How did you end up with sort of an idea for a new podcast?

Jon:  It all started when I was a boy.  No, it was a…I had this website called Getting to $30K and it was my first attempt at launching my business cos I worked full-time and I wanted to see if I took my business seriously, where could it take me.  So I started this thing called Getting to 30K which was basically me documenting everything that I did to try to make 30 thousand dollars as a side business.   And what ended up happening was…I talked to a few people, I’ve recorded a few things, I ended up really just blowing my goal out, I like quadruple my goal in that same year.  And I’ve always had a passion for recording as well, so after doing that and doing the interviews.  And I’m friends with Kim Doyal, I don’t know if you know who she is, but she’s very into podcasting.  She kind of pushed me a little bit more to kinda get into it.  So that was kinda what I did to try to start it and get it up.  And like I said, I started this last year because I wanted to say, “Oh, I wanna do a podcast this year,” but not realizing that you don’t just hit record and then the podcast is live.  There were so many different steps that I didn’t realized I needed in order to really launch my podcast.  So that’s kinda why I’m sitting on those recordings for a long time because I needed to 1. Figure it out; and then 2. Dedicate some time to actually doing the podcast, which last year, just on a whim, I decided to do it and I wasn’t ready for it.  So that’s kind of a…Did I answer the question?

Evaldas:  It’s a very good answer.  So, was it really hard to start the thing, I mean, in general?

Jon:  You know, it was un-expecting.  Cos like I said, I thought that, you know, I’ve record the interview and then I go, “Okay, here’s my podcast,” but that is not the case.   When you’re just doing it just to do it and you’re not taking it seriously, maybe that is the case and you’ll just put up whatever, which I tried on Sure Fire Web Services, I did like 3 episodes but I didn’t put it on iTunes, I didn’t put it anywhere.  I didn’t really market it, I just recorded like a 10-minute audio file and put it up as a blogpost which is not a podcast, that’s not a podcast.  So, just realizing that the steps involved and having to, once you record it, doing the editing which I do myself cos I have a background in audio.  Doing the editing, the intros, outros, the show notes, submitting it to the different areas of iTunes, just figuring all that stuff out was pretty tough.  But once you know it, once you got it, it’s easy after that.

Evaldas:  Yeah, I mean, what I actually did is read one of Denouri’s blog post, it’s a huge tutorial that looked like almost all the steps on what to do and different advices so it seems like you did a lot of work, to begin with.

Jon:  Oh yeah, looks easy but then once you actually do it, that’s when you kinda like, “Oh this isn’t that easy”, there’s a lot of stuff involved.

Evaldas:  Yeah, it’s not just talking, it’s actually doing stuff.

Jon:  Exactly!  And if you can’t do it, then you have to hire people to do it for you.  And then you gotta find a service that’s gonna either do everything or maybe do one part and you do the show notes.  And it all varies.  So…

Evaldas:  So, this thing that actually stopped you, was because it was a lot of work, from releasing it earlier?

Jon:  Yes, cos I wasn’t ready.  I wasn’t ready to put it out last year so that stopped me.  I could do the recordings, which I did, I talked to a lot of people, had a lot of interviews and I did a few episodes but I wasn’t ready to commit and to release it because I didn’t know what was involved.  So that’s kinda what stopped me  but now, this year, I know what’s involved.  And I’m doing it now.

Evaldas:  So you’re in your game.

Jon:  Yeah, got my game face on. I am rockin and rollin.

Evaldas:  Yeah. I listened to your podcast, all of it and I really liked your rap intros.  I was really amazed that you can do that kind of stuff.

Jon:  Well, what’s funny is when I was 16, I had like a little rap album and I used to do it as a teenager.  I used to just…I used to rap.  That’s what I did, I made beats, I rap and I do all that stuff.  But as an adult, I gotta make money, so I had to get a job and then the whole rapping thing kinda faded out.  But now at the podcast, it’s almost like a refresh, like it’s really fun for me to just kinda go back into the software, start editing the audio, recording new things, doing like different effects and stuff like that, like I love it.  That’s definitely one of my passions I just love.

Evaldas:  Just like reliving your childhood again.

Jon:  Yeah, kind of, kind of.  It’s awesome, I like it.

Evaldas:  Yeah that’s nice.  So, I’m sure if you know or realize, but what do you think is the one most single important skill that any podcaster would have, should have?

Jon:  I mean I’m kinda new to it, so I can’t speak for like years of experience but from what I’ve done so far and from the podcast that I’ve been listening to.  I think you really have to find your voice and just be you.  Like don’t be the fake guy on the podcast because everybody lives their lives, everybody has friends and those people like you for a certain reason, right.  So I think if you’re doing the podcast, it’s important to just be yourself and let just your natural charisma or whatever it is, just kinda shine through the mic and then I think eventually people will follow you.  That’s my advice.

Evaldas:  So then let out yourself and get wild.

Jon:  Yeah, be yourself.  Be yourself.  Don’t try to put on a show, just be yourself.

Evaldas:  Yeah.  One interesting thing that I’ve sorta read also, it’s a…I know that people say this, I find it also quite common is story-telling also sorts of helps.  We are like listeners or as persons, we like to listen to stories and even from a childhood, a lot of …

Jon:  Definitely!  I mean, stories relate, right.  Like everybody else, story kinda relates to people, but let’s make a clear BUT there.  Some people are just not good at telling stories, right.  So, if you’re good at telling stories, then tell the story, let it relate, do whatever you gotta do.  But if you’re not good at telling stories, this is gonna be torture for like, the 5 minutes or however long that story is.  Or if someone’s trying to listen…

Evaldas:  Oh yeah, not another story.

Jon:  Yeah really.  It’s like, “Ugh, this guy with his stories.”  So if you could tell stories, do it.  Maybe you wanna write it down beforehand, just so you kinda not winging it. I tend to wing things like all the time.  But, I don’t know, that’s just, maybe that’s the New York in me or something, I just talk, blah blah blah.

Evaldas:  I mean, it feels natural I think, the most important thing is sort of relate to our realities so people can also see, “Oh he’s doing the same thing that I do”, it sort of helps me connect to one another.

Jon:  Of course, of course.  And here’s the story.  When I was doing this and working full-time, my excuse was, “Oh, there’s never enough time, there’s never enough time,” so I would come home from work, I have a family, I just had a baby and there was just never enough time.  But, I think when you really want something, you’ll find the time to do it or you’ll find a way to do it.  And that’s kind of what I started to do, was find the time.  Like I would come home tired, yeah of course I’m tired, I worked all day.  Now I’m spending my family time.  But when everybody’s in bed or whatever the case is, that was the time that I took to write or record or do whatever.  So I lose an hour of sleep right, but at the same time, that hour I’m doing something to move my business forward.  So there they go, that’s some more advice.

Evaldas:  Yeah, nice.  Good stuff.  How did you find energies, like you go and write…I need to do that.

Jon:  Well, for the podcast that I’ve been recording had been at night, so it’s kind of hard to get all that energy cos I definitely have a lot of energy during the day, but when it’s at nighttime and everybody’s sleeping and I’m kinda talking to the mic like this and I can’t really relax, it’s tough, but you just, you gotta do it.  I think if people are listening to you and they like you or they like these things that you’re saying, they’ll stick around and listen.  I’ve heard some REALLY popular podcast that just puts me to sleep and I’m like, “Oh my God, this is so boring,” but they’re saying good things so you kinda try to listen.   I try to at least throw a little, “rah,” like a little yell in there, wakes somebody up in case they’re sleeping.

Evaldas:  Yeah, just WAKE UP!

Jon:  Yeah, exactly!

Evaldas:  Actually, if you mentioned already the podcast, what kind of podcast do you listen yourself?

Jon:  Funny story.  I’ve never listened to podcast, I just wanted to do them.

Evaldas:  Oh, right!

Jon:  Yeah, I know right.  I just wanted to do it cos I knew it was a new platform and I just thought it was cool.  So I’m actually just starting to get into podcasts now and I’ve been listening to Kim Doyal – the WordPress Chick.  I just started listening to Lee Jackson, he’s got a cool podcast, we actually spoke the other day.  And Gary Vee, I kind of heard of em, but I never really knew what he did.  So, like last week, I only wake up what this guy does.  I started doing like some Google stalking and I’ve heard his podcast and I was like, “This is cool.”  So I started listening to him and then someone told me that, that they compared me to Tim Ferriss so I was like, “Alight,  I really didn’t know what that means,” but let me listen to this guy now.  So, I picked up…I haven’t heard him yet, I have a podcast in my queue of Tim Ferriss to listen to what he’s gotta say.  And that’s all so far.  Oh and of course, the popular serial podcast, I think everyone listens to that.  And This American Life, I think I’ve listen to about 2 episodes.

Evaldas:  So, you’re on a roll now.

Jon:  Yeah!  I’m like, I’m on a podcast roll.  Slowly though, because some of these podcasts are like 2-3 hours long, right.  So, it’s kinda hard to sit there for 2 to 3 hours. Okay, this isn’t every single thing but I’m slowly getting into them and discovering new podcast that I enjoy.

Evaldas:  Yeah, what I do, I actually also like to listen but real listen when I just sitting and listening.  What I do is I never go out of home without my headphones, so I have like a blue-tooth headphones.  And I go to work or go anywhere or ride the bus, anything and I always have my headphones listening.

Jon:  Yeah, that’s great.  I try to do that too, but sometimes…I’m a music guy, I need some music.  So on trips here though, I’ll pop em in, and when I’m on a project, I’ll just have it as a background, trying to listen to what everybody’s saying.  It’s good. It’s good.  Slow process but I’m getting there.

Evaldas:  What do you find in like listening, what is attractive to you, is there anything?

Jon:  The introductions, I like those good introductions.  I like hip hop music so I like those head-bopping kind of intros.  But also, I guess it’s the voice, like I need something…like I said, I think I have like ADD sometimes and I’ll just listen and I can’t listen to 3 words and then I lose focus.  And I’m like, “Wait, what am I listening to?”  So, I just need something that keeps my attention going and that’s what I’m trying to do on my podcast.  And if I put anybody to sleep, I’m sorry but just wanna try it though, it’s my attempt.

Evaldas:  No, you haven’t put me to sleep yet.

Jon:  Good!  Yes!

Evaldas:  I personally, I could tell you what I like, it’s called Tropical MBA.  I tried to start listening to it about a month ago.  And it sort of gave me a kickass that I needed to just start things rolling, it just give a lot of ideas on what to do.  And when I actually try to apply them to my own life, it really changed things on how I see or how actually other people are seeing me.  So like the host, Dan and Ian are listening, kudos to you.  It’s like almost like podcast through our style, like almost like a matchless style, like doing the KYA!

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Jon:  It sure like got you, kinda wakes you up a little bit.

Evaldas:  Yeah, so it gives you kicks and you’ll start to wake up and you’ll start doing.

Jon:   Nice!  What’s it called cos I’m gonna write it down right now.

Evaldas:  Yes, Tropical MBA.

Jon:  Some people had just have…there’s a lot of smart people online, right.  And what’s funny is, you can find some of these people and they’ll sell their horse for like 2 grand or 5 grand or whatever it is.  But when they have a podcast and a blog, like if you’re not reading the blog, you’re missing out on a lot of stuff because these people are putting all of their knowledge, like all of the information out there, right.  So if you listen to it and you take it, you can get all the stuff that they’re sharing on the stuff that they’re also kinda selling.  I know me like I share a ton of stuff online, but it’s hard to just get everything group together.  And I look at my blog stat sometimes and I’ll write something that I think is an amazing post, I’m like “Oh, this post is so good, why doesn’t this have the most traffic,” and then I see like another post that I spent my 2 minutes on with more traffic than the one that I spewed my heart out on, right.  What’s funny is the one I spewed my heart out on, I could take that information and I don’t have to make it free, I can put a paywall behind it and then market it and just sell it as like, “Oh, look, let me show you how to do x,” right.  But the information is there, it’s already free and that’s what I’m finding like a lot of entrepreneurs are doing with their podcast, with their blogs, is they’re giving you all those information for you to use, right.

Evaldas:  Yeah, I mean it’s really amazing.

Jon:  Yeah, I mean, I was listening to…I don’t know if you listen to this guy, his name is…Sway in the Morning on Satellite Radio, he’s on Youtube and he was interviewing Daymond John, the guy who found FUBU, he’s on Shark Tank.  The guy’s like a billionaire.  And some of the stuff that Daymond John was saying, he’s a very successful person and he was sitting in this interview giving information that – if you had a coach or something like that, you would pay them thousands of dollars for it, right.  So it kinda got me thinking like, hey, a lot of these stuff is really common knowledge amongst entrepreneurs and they have it all the time.  It’s there, the information is there.  It’s just a matter of what we’ve absorbed and what we don’t absorbed and what we find and what we don’t find.

Evaldas:  I mean, from my perspective, how I see it, it really depends on the value.  So if the person values that thing and thinks that he’s getting it, it doesn’t matter if it’s free or if he’s paying.  If he really thinks that it’s useful and he absorbs and tries to apply, that’s the difference that it makes, I mean.

Jon:  Oh yeah definitely. Definitely.  But what I’m saying is they give away this value bombs for free.

Evaldas:  Yeah, that’s even greater.

Jon:  If you just listen to them, if you just listen to a podcast of whoever it is, they’ll probably tell you something that’ll ignite you and you go off and the next year, you make 3 million dollars.  I don’t know, that’s just like very hypothetical.  But I don’t know, that’s why I’m starting to get more and more into the podcast and to actually listen to what these major players in the A-game are saying.  And a lot of it is…it’s not repetitive, but it’s a knowledge for entrepreneurs. And I’m only saying that cos that’s what my podcast is.  Taking entrepreneurs in podcast.  It’s just good stuff, so yeah, podcast is awesome.

Evaldas:  Yeah, right.  I like one saying that sorta rhymes with all of this, so if you have 2 ears and 1 mouth, so we should listen twice as more than we speak.

Jon:  There you go.  Something about that is, I can talk on the mic all day, but if I’m like on a crowd, I don’t say a word.  I’m like the quiet guy.

Evaldas:  Yeah, me too, actually.  I like more on one-on-one talks just like what we have right now.

Jon:  Yeah, definitely comfortable.

Evaldas:  So let’s kind of go into a little bit of entrepreneur.  Do you think it’s possible to monetize your show, or let me sort of rephrase it, can a podcaster become a millionaire?

Jon:  Can a podcaster become a millionaire? What a great question.  I think they can but it really depends on how you use your podcasts, right.  I mean, a podcast is a strategy, I don’t think you’re gonna become a millionaire just by selling ads unless you have like a million listeners and like 30 ads on every episode.

Evaldas:  Yeah, that’s not gonna happen.

Jon:  Yeah, exactly.  So I think just the whole sponsorship approach, I mean I think you’ll make some money, but I don’t necessarily think that’s gonna bring you to whatever you may wanna be.  But I think the podcast as a strategy to build your audience and then to lead them to something that you’re selling, maybe a service or…I know a lot of people who do podcast push their coaching agendas and they’ll put all these information on their podcast, and then they’ll say, “Yeah, I’ll coach you.”  That’s kind of one of the strategies that I’m going forward with my podcast, kind of cos I haven’t really nailed it in yet but it’s just something I’m thinking about.  But also to just really grow your audience, I think Gary Vee said this in one of these things I just listened to the other day.  And he’s all over social media.  And he’s basically building his following.  Like you’re building your following with your podcast, with your post with whatever it is.  I think Daymond John said this too – you’re building the people that are going to follow you wherever you decide to go and the podcast is one of those tools that can build a bigger following.

So if you’re podcasting, let’s say you started off and then six, seven months from now, you have like 10,000 people, either signed up to a newsletter or they just like what you’re doing so they’re following what you’re doing cos you’re giving them value, you’re giving them what they wanted and then you decide to sell an e-book.  It’s gonna be a lot easier to sell that e-book once you have the following that you’ve built rather than starting right off the back and saying, “Okay, I’m gonna sell my e-book right now even though I don’t have a following and then I’m just gonna launch it with the podcast.”

Evaldas:  So just like building a trust of your listener.

Jon:  Yeah exactly.  And I think a podcast is a great avenue because it’s not just reading, it’s actually you, talking to your audience so I think that the strategy of your podcast needs to…I mean, there needs to be a strategy, right.  You have to have the podcast there to either – if you wanna monetize it, maybe you’re already a millionaire and you’re just doing it for fun – but if you wanna monetize it, there’s gotta be something at the end of the road.  Once you’ve build up your audience or whatever it is, eventually you’re gonna need to monetize it and how are you gonna do that is up to you.

Evaldas:  Actually, I did Google this a little bit of, I was just curious, I’ve read like one post in the Washington Post and it’s about a guy called Roman Mars.  He was a sort of a local radio show speaker or something like that and he wasn’t earning that much.  And he decided to do his own show called 99% Invisible, so like 5-minutes small show about some stuff.  He’s researching and like that.  And he had it big like he’s now a celebrity and he’s got six-people staff.  Half million in equities, he’s like branded like one of the most creative guys in the world.  So it can like make you big.

Jon:  What did he do?  Like was it just his podcast, was he doing sponsorships and was he doing anything on the back end?

Evaldas:  So whatever, it’s like he got like half the sponsors like the big ones and also, his business sponsoring did do it, so sort of grown and he was dedicated to his audience.  And one difference, I think, that made him what he is now is he took it seriously, like he did it not just like a hobby but actually invested some money into an equipment and so on, and producing the show would be like normal tv or radio.  And just put it in his platform.

Jon:  That’s awesome.  I think NPR and Planet Money and all those guys, I think all they do is podcast, right.  And then they have their This American Life.  I mean they’re extremely popular too.

Evaldas:  Yeah, I mean it’s gaining popularity like, every year.

Jon:  So, I think it’s possible.  I think it’s possible.  But I don’t know I guess for the…No, it’s possible.  Anything is possible.  If you go for it and you know what you’re going for and you know what you’re doing, I think you can probably make a million dollars doing anything.

Evaldas:  Yeah, just make your own reality.

Jon:  Exactly!  Just go for it.  Just go 100%.

Evaldas:  Yeah.  I just have couple more, like more technical questions.  I’m just interested, what’s your take on that.  So do you use or plan to use like any analytics for your podcast?

Jon:  Yeah, I signed up for Libsyn, Libsyn hosts all the episodes.  And then I use WordPress, the Blubrry plugin.  And then I use the Sky Hani’s plugin, it’s called…I’m gonna get in trouble for not knowing it.  It’s a podcast player that’s really easy to use and I have to get you the name because I totally forgot what it was.  And I’m sorry.

Evaldas:  No worries.  No worries.  We’ll put it just as a link.

Jon:  Awesome!
Evaldas:  And one more question, what about transcripts do you think like it could be useful for your show and would you be interested in using those?

Jon:  I don’t use transcripts, I just have show notes.  And I have somebody that writes my show notes for me.  Sometimes, I do it, sometimes, I’ll send it out.  What I started doing also was something called the DevBit and that’s kinda what I call my short little 5-minute podcasts.  It’s basically I write a post but I wanna give an audio version of that post so I’ll narrate it.  But I don’t necessarily do transcripts.  I don’t know, maybe I’m supposed to?  I’m still new to the podcast so…just haven’t…

Evaldas:  No, no, basically what I see like…but I’m also new so I could be biased myself.  You go there like split audience, I mean, someone wants to listen, someone wants to read.  And in terms of Google, Google doesn’t index your audio.

Jon:  Exactly!  Which is why I did those, the short little devbits which is my little posts for a CO attraction and then I have my full podcasts which I have the show notes which are about 300-400 words.  But I’m sure the transcription’s probably awesome too.

Evaldas:  Yeah.  I have one last question before we sort of cut it today.  What would be like one thing that you would recommend to any new podcaster or anyone who’s doing podcasting, in general, that could help them succeed?

Jon:  I would just say organize yourself first, don’t just jump into it, like what I’ve tried to do.  Plan out your first 10 episodes.  And then once you have those planned out, then do it or maybe even record it once you have those recorded.  And that will just make everything go so much smoother, like I just live without thinking of it.  When I decided to just launch this, my first 6 episodes were done, recorded, everything was…it was literally automated, like every day was just a new episode, new episode, new episode.  And now I’m on a weekly schedule so I already have the next 2 months basically planned.  So it frees up my time and I don’t have to stress about, “Oh my gosh, what’s gonna happen next week.”  So plan ahead, that would be my advice.  Definitely, plan ahead.

Evaldas:  Nice, nice, nice.  Alright so can you just tell my audience where we can find you, if they would look for a podcast, in general, how can they contact you.  If they have any questions.

Jon:  Sure!  My podcast website is developertomillionaire.com.  My main website is surefirewebservices.com.  You could find me on Twitter @surefireweb or @iamjonperez.  How to contact me?  You can send me a twit, fill out a form, leave a comment.  I’m always answering my comments or sign up for the list, which I’m always responding to my list.  And I’m on Facebook too, but the facebook URL is…I don’t really know how to say that.

Evaldas:  Yeah, they’ll put in the links.  Alright, so, thanks for your time and really I enjoyed.  Hope you enjoyed yourself.  It was a blast.

Jon:  It was very awesome, I had a great time.  Real quick, the guy’s name Hani Mourra and the plugin is called Simple Podcast Press, it’s really awesome, very easy to use.  I had a blast from this episode.  Thank you so much for having me.  And anytime, I love this, this is fun.

Evaldas:  Yeah.  Okay thanks, see you and we’ll be in touch.

Jon:  Awesome.  Bye!

Host:  Hey, let me know if you enjoyed the episode and what kind of guest would you like again?  Write me an email, listen@castsource.net, comment on podcast blogpost, or leave a review at iTunes.  For our next episode, you will have podcasting returned into over 200 entrepreneurs, he will share one secret; how to go from being very bad at podcast to being successful.  That’ll be this, all.

About Evaldas Miliauskas

Evaldas Miliauskas is the founder of CastSource - a startup that provides transcriptions designed for podcasts. He is a passionate podcaster listener, host, and a entrepreneur.

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