What Jason thinks of other podcasts

What Jason thinks of other podcasts

Evaldas: Yeah, that’s quite insightful. I like it. There’s all the parallels. I guess quite a bit of podcasters have the same problems. When you have your show, do you think about competition of a podcast? You said you’re doing it for fun, or more for yourselves maybe. Maybe it’s not that relevant for you, but I’m just wondering do you look at other dev shows, or maybe you have your own favorite podcasts you listen to.

Jason: Yeah, we really don’t see any of them as competition. There is really a vacuum in the entire space, I think, even still. I don’t know about podcasting in general. I think there’s a lot of people that just do sort of a general entertainment podcast, and I know nothing of that whole area and I don’t listen to those. But, as far as tech podcasts and development in particular, there is a ton of wide open space. So, if somebody is thinking about starting a podcast like that, there is so much opportunity, and I think it’s really hard to overlap with anybody else. We’ve modeled ourselves after a couple different podcasts. Basically, we listened to a lot of different podcasts and we try to take the best pieces of all of them.

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What’s interesting, I was actually talking to the guys recently. It was actually just a few days ago. Guys from .NET Rocks!, and they were considered by, I think, a lot of people to be the first podcast. They’ve been doing this since — man, I almost want to say it was in the late ’90s. They have, I want to say, like 1,200 episodes now. They’ve been doing this forever. And I met those guys and I said, “Hey. We’ve modeled a lot of stuff in the msdevshow after your podcast because we love it,” and Carl from that show, not to be confused with my co-host, Carl, but Carl from that show. He said, “Well, we modeled ourselves after NPR.” So, we’re basically copying somebody else copying somebody else, right?

I don’t even think I’d call it “copying”. It’s really emulating and I think everybody should do it. The pieces that you like about your own podcasts, if you like short podcasts, then you should probably just have a short podcast, and it’s not like you’re copying the format of that podcast, but copy the aspects of the things that you like.

So, we like the guest format from .NET Rocks! and we love the people that they were talking too. Then, there’s also the TWiT network, you know, This Week in Tech, and all their different shows, and they’re really casual and they basically do everything in one take. They don’t do any editing. We have a similar format for that. And they’re also really good at discussing the news and they just talk about the news, just commentary. So, we actually have a news section in each episode as well.

So, we started off and we tried to keep the preamble pretty short, but then we jump into the news and we always struggle with how long that should be, but it’s usually about 10 minutes. We discuss the news and a lot of people really like that. Then, we talk to the guests, and then we have a fun game we play, and we do some other things in there.

So, we’ve just like cut the pieces of things that we like from other podcasts and created our new format for our show, and we evolved as we go along as well, figuring out what works. So, I think we’ve copied a lot of pieces from different podcasts, but at the same time then, we’ve put our own spin on everything, and I think we’ve innovated in a lot of ways with the format of the show.

Evaldas: Yeah, I did listen to .NET Rocks! from a long time ago. I even didn’t think about that doing in my own podcast. Yeah, and as you said, they’re one of the few other ones. I remember there’s another one because I also was involved in Java platform. So, I was listening to Java Posse. I’m not sure if you’re familiar with that one.

Jason: No.

Evaldas: It was like they did also around 600 episodes, but it’s not available anymore.

Jason: Okay. Yeah, I was going to say we actually encourage people to copy us as well. So, we, like you said, all of our source code for our site is in GitHub, so we actually had somebody copy that, and he actually runs cppcast.com, so it’s a podcast that specifically targets C++ topics. So, he actually just copied our website and then made some changes, and then published it out there. I think there’s still some remnants from ours, and we encouraged him to do that, to be clear. He didn’t just come and then rip off our stuff. We tell people, “If you just want to copy what we have and start from there, go right ahead.”

So, we try to be as open and transparent and possible, because in no way whatsoever does he compete with us. You know, he’s focused on C++ and I encourage if there’s other podcasts that want to dive into certain niches, that just makes everything better for everybody. If we can make podcasting more and more ubiquitous, we all win in that case.

Evaldas: Yeah, it’s just more content for everyone to learn from. That cannot be bad in any way.

Jason: Yeah.

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Evaldas Miliauskas is the founder of CastSource - a startup that provides transcriptions designed for podcasts. He is a passionate podcaster listener, host, and a entrepreneur.

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